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Copy Brighter: Dealing With “Impossible” Online Reputation Challenges

  • Curtis Pope · 1 month ago
    Its amazing that google allows anyone to just put false statements on a site and the crawler comes around and posts it. I have been personally attacked with absolutely no proof and have tried to get it erased.

    I wrote to the google that the statement has no legs but I have not seen anything done yet. It needs to be known that the false info, is just that... false.
  • Hayden Dell · 1 year ago
    Nice post Brett. Things must be pretty bad when you are changing your name or the name of your business. :)
  • Brett Borders · 1 year ago
    Hayden,

    I know it is dramatic and it is always difficult for me to recommend, but oftentimes people who actively seeking out online reputation management help are in very, very bad situations. I don't know of anything else that could reasonably be done to help - in some cases. If you do know of anything to help in the "impossible" cases - please feel free to add your ideas below!
  • Andy Beal · 1 year ago
    Some great points. I would probably never say a situation was impossible, but certainly maybe a low chance of success (less than 5%).

    One note on changing your company name. There's nothing to stop a determined detractor from targeting the new name. My advice is to stay with the current name. :-)
  • Mindy · 1 year ago
    As somebody who used to work for a consumer review site, we found that in the case of small businesses if they were willing to speak to the unhappy customers and resolve the situation often the unhappy customers were willing to remove the negative websites/reviews/etc. Turning the situation around might warrant a follow up news article as well....

    I would guess this is of little help if the situation has ended up in court already.
  • Tim Shier · 1 year ago
    I must agree, some excellent points and regarding the changing of the company name: In my opinion the changing of a company name would never work out well :(

    1) if you register a new domain its going to take a long time to start ranking, during this time anybody who comments about your brand will rank higher and you will effectively go go backwards.

    2) typically bad ORM problems source from particular service/marketing problem and unless these are resolved the problems are just going to follow one - no matter what your company name is.

    Its really unfortunate but true :(

    Great post!
  • Ken Savage · 1 year ago
    Hey Jack Black's new movie wasn't that bad. :)
  • Brett Borders · 1 year ago
    Andy,

    I would never say a situation was truly impossible either - that's why I enclose "impossible" in quotes. But I have been approached by several situations that are more or less "impossible" for the "average company" or individual to afford to manage. I want to help but know I don't have the resources to help them as one person, and I know of no way to affordably make a team and scale a quality services. It would be too labor intensive and require too much expert internet marketing talent.

    As for changing the company name, I agree that this is probably not a good idea if you have a determined detractor or 'reputation assassin' - but I still DO recommend it if there is some lingering old news coverage or government site coverage that is out of date - facts without a lot of negative charge or passion behind it. I frankly don't know anything else to recommend in some situations. I can't think of anything they could afford or reasonably accomplish themselves to mask the negative information.

    @Mindy,

    This is a great point. If you "make it right" for a disgruntled customer, they are more willing to bury their grudge and remove feedback on a case they feel has been well taken care of. Better yet, make it right "right away" - before the person has any desire to post anything.

    @Tim Shier,

    I would agree that bad customer service and business practices are one of the quickest ways to get into reputation trouble, but they are not the most common reason people need online reputation management help. Most of the people I have spoken with are dealing with: 1.) a news story 2.) a somewhat irrational attack from a competitor/former employee or someone with a vested interest in defaming them.

    In short, a majority people who have contacted me seem rather "innocent" and undeserving of ongoing bad coverage. For instance, one guy's name got irrationally picked up by a spam script and was getting inappropriately plastered all over there web. But yes, there are also a number of cases where they clearly burned people and "deserve" the bad publicity - and I decline to help in those cases.


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  • Jake Strawn · 1 year ago
    Very good information... with a twist of humor...

    In the case that they do pay you 5 million, I'll be your lead ninja!!! I'll burn down that google data center for a cool million! :D
  • Brett Borders · 1 year ago
    @Jake,

    It's great to know there are true ninjas like you who can be called on in times of need. ;)
  • Bob Rosner · 1 year ago
    I was once contacted in behalf of an individual who had a very unfortunate association with a public servant. As a result of the public servant's very sleazy dealings my client's reputation was terribly smeared in a regional blog site. Despite extensive content creation, numerous linking and optimization throughout there's one story in particular that has not been dislodged from #1 for my client's name.

    Although the blog gets only a few thousand visits a month, and the offending page probably is viewed only by my client and a handful of others I was asked to keep trying. My latest suggestion was to make an offer to purchase the blog. If successful the page will be removed and the site itself will eventually be killed.

    When all else fails throwing enough money at the problem may work.
  • Brett Borders · 1 year ago
    @Bob,

    Yes, this is good thinking. I have toyed with the idea on several cases before, but I have never tried it.

    You should be extremely careful when trying to buy a site not to open yourself up to extortion or a situation that makes the problem worse. I recommend contacting them under a pseudonym and trying to buy the blog for reasons other than the reputation issue. Test the waters first.
  • Utah SEO · 1 year ago
    I think that is why at the end of the day it is wise to just keep the peace online. I see these situations where companies have engaged in wars against each other. In my opinion, they could spend the money and time building rather than repairing. That is why I have always said the first people companies should pay are SEOs and Network Security Consultants. It is always big problems when you piss one of them off. This is a great article, however, I have not seen one as bad as you were approached with Brett. But I am sure there are plenty of them out there.
  • Reputation Management · 1 year ago
    Wow, a $5,000,000 campaign? I've got a great referral commission if you want us to take a crack at it? We've had some pretty crazy successes given enough time and resources.
  • Bob Rosner · 1 year ago
    Re: extortion etc...totally agree on that. I insulated my client by going through a third party service. Unfortunately the owner has yet to nibble on the offer. It may be time for plan C.
  • Hypotheekrente · 1 year ago
    Nice article about reputation management. I agree that is it very hard to erase bad information about a company on the internet, you can always ask webmasters on a personal matter to erase to post.

    Regards,

    Bob
  • Pedro Maiquez · 1 year ago
    Hi Brett, excellent post!.

    These reputation crisis are really hard to repair but, are they so difficult to prevent?. I mean, the question could be why we don't focus our efforts in avoid the crisis instead of hide bad results. Is prevention possible if big companies measure risks before, and they monitor social and mass media then?.

    We could make this if we build webs and links related to the target before (adding also terms as 'bad', 'problems', "fail", etc.) and then we try to talk fast with people is complaining. If mass media wants to destroy the brand there is nothing to do, but maybe we can reduce costs in other cases, and get more work in not so impossible ones.

    I believe repairing can be the last option to online reputation managers, and SEO tactics are not our main tool. How to sell ORM services before crisis?
  • Yura · 1 year ago
    Throughout the post, I've been waiting to read the lines about "those $5mil wouldn't change a company for the better", but didn't find them even in the list of recommendations. Quite a disappointment.

    The best and only way to fix things is to open the ears, fix the reason the company was negatively pressed and make it publicly known, because positive press travels slowly.

    It isn't about Google, more about the company, really.
  • Brett Borders · 1 year ago
    Yura,

    There's no way I could post the name of this individual, or even hint at it, as all client inquiries and projects are 100% confidential. There's a lot of stuff that I come across that would be very interesting to blog about, but I can't.

    I agree that reason can be a good way of going about things in some cases, but oftentimes, reason = FAIL.
  • Chris Estes · 1 year ago
    Way to stick to your principals and not reveal clients. But sometimes after all the NDA's and principal you have to write a resume.

    Rep Managment is important especially for public figures.
  • Brennan · 7 months ago
    I completely agree with almost everything in the article. I hate to see firms take on projects that are basically not winnable. I do more of a full service for clients with the monitoring but we have done a few strictly SEO campaigns where it was easy to get there rankings clean. I have seen SEO reputation companies who are slightly shady sell their clients on the fact that they can remove all first page PR6-7 authority articles which is untrue. Google tries to provide opposition in their search results so you are better off managing and identifying problems by monitoring before they start than trying to correct them after.
  • hypotheekrente · 3 months ago
    This was a helpful post, thank you.
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